Student Questions from Chapter 40, sections 40.5-40.7

1. Are we going to be held responsible for being able to set up the equations for acceleration, and then do the integration to find the position and velocity function in these problems? Or will we simply have to know the resulting equations from a certain few types of problems?

You might be expected to perform an integral or two, of the kind in Problem Set #1.

2. Does the weight of the pulley, rope, spring scale, or other related object affect measurements? If so, how are they to be accounted for?

Yes. The effects you mention can greatly complicate solution of a given problem, although their inclusion does provide a more realistic model of the real world. If a rope has finite mass and a mass is suspended from it vertically, the tension in the rope is no longer the same along its length. The pieces of the rope near the bottom are under less tension than pieces near the point of suspension. A real pulley not only has friction in the bearings, it has mass and it therefore requires a force (more precisely a torque) to get it rotating. You will find in lab that the finite mass of a spring affects the application of our simple theory of simple harmonic motion for a mass on a spring. At times in this course we will attempt to include these complicating, but real, effects. At other times we will neglect them.

3. As I watched from my seat, I noticed that the stretch in a spring seemed to be the greatest in the center of the spring and decreases in both directions. Why is this?

The spring I used to demonstrate Hooke's Law in class is a somewhat tapered spring. It is so designed to try to better approximate an ideal spring for your laboratory experiments on simple harmonic motion.

4. Newton's second law states that F=ma. However, what are we to do if the mass is constantly changing? Imagine we attach a spring scale to a milk jug and pull it across a table with an acceleration, a. Than we poke a hole in the bottom of it, and it leaks water at a constant rate. If we know that rate, how can the force needed to maintain constant acceleration be maintained? (ie How do we compute that?)

You propose a terrific problem for a future problem set perhaps. To take into account a changing mass, you need to use the form of Newton's second law that Newton in fact used. F = d(mv)/dt . If you use the product rule on this you get... F = m dv/dt + v dm/dt. The first term on the right side is ma. The second term is zero if the mass is constant. Rocket motion is another example of the motion of an object with changing mass.

5. I understand that if one were to take a scale into an elevator and measure their weight as the elevator accelerated upwards and accelerated downwards, that the weight would vary. However, we defined weight as w=mg. The mass of an object, by definition, never changes. Is the formula for accounting for vertical motion in, say, an elevator equal to w=m(g+a) where a is equal to the acceleration of the elevator in the vertical direction?

Let's agree to call m(g+a) in this example... "apparent weight". It is the normal force exerted by the scale on the passenger.

6. I am a little confused on NIII's counterpart forces. The question I am thinking of is E40.26. What is the counterpart force of the normal force of the table on either of the two blocks? What is the counterpart of the frictional force on either of the two blocks?

The counterpart of the normal force of the table on a block, is the (downward) normal force of the block ON THE TABLE. The counterpart of the frictional force on the surface of a block in contact with the table is a frictional force ON THE TABLE surface in the opposite direction. Imagine the following example: One block is on top of a second block. The two stacked blocks sit on a frictionless table, but there is friction between the two blocks. If the top block starts out sliding to the right over the stationary bottom block, the friction force on the top block will be to the left. The NIII counterpart to that frictional force is a frictional force on the bottom block TO THE RIGHT. That force on the bottom block accelerates the bottom block to the right. Meanwhile the rightward velocity of the top block is decreasing due to friction. Eventually the two blocks come to the same final rightward velocity and coast together at constant velocity on the frictionless table.

7. Question E40.30. I think I know the answers, but I am not sure. I think the answers are:

a. the same as if stopped.

b. the same as if stopped.

c. more than if stopped

d. less than if stopped.

e. less than if stopped.

f. more than if stopped. Am I right?

Perfect!

8. The one thing that threw me in this chapter was when Cook threw in air resistance into that free fall problem on page 4021. Now I understand why the bouyant force of air is pointing in the opposite direction of the acceleration due to gravity, but I don't understand why the viscous dampening force of the air is pointing in the direction of the motion. I know that viscous liquids flow against a force that is applied to them. Is the the viscosity of the air flowing against the objects motion or flowing against the bouyancy of the air? I just don't understand why its pointing in the direction of the motion. I know this is a pretty miniscule detail, but its bugging me.

Read the footnote on page 4021 carefully. The arrow in Figure 40.10 is correct if b*dz/dt is positive (upward velocity). When the velocity is negative, the actual direction of the viscous drag force will be upward because b*dz/dt is negative. When you draw a force diagram, you indicate the positive direction of the force with an arrow on the diagram and include the appropriate + or - signs in Newton's 2nd Law given that choice for positive force. If the quantity ends up being negative, that simply indicates that the force is directed opposite the direction indicated by the arrow. Buoyancy is a completely different effect, aside from the fact that viscous drag and buoyancy both require the presence of a fluid surrounding the object of interest.

9. I'm still a little confused about how buoyancy affects objects in the air. I know it is different from air resistance, but how? Could you please re-explain this?

I offered a verbal explanation of buoyancy in class. It arises because the pressure in a fluid increases with depth. For example, the pressure in water increases as one goes deeper in the water. Similarly, the air pressure is higher the deeper one goes in the atmosphere. We happen to reside near the bottom of the atmosphere where its pressure is greatest. It is the variation of pressure with depth (or altitude) that leads to buoyancy. An object immersed in the fluid feels a greater upward pressure from the bottom than it feels downward from above. There is therefore an upward buoyant force. Archimedes gave us the shortcut for determining that force. The buoyant force is equal to the weight of the displaced fluid.

10. As for the fifth force, does that mean that the object was supposedly pulled into the side of the cliff as it fell?

One might expect a (very) weak effect of this sort without a fifth force. The local gravitational force is (very) slightly modified by the distribution of mass in the local vicinity. A mountain does exert its own gravitational influence on other objects adjacent to it. The fifth force was thought to modify that actual form of Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation, so that it perhaps depended on the composition of the matter doing the attraction, not just on its mass. More recent experiments have NOT provided evidence for such a force.

11. I don't understand what they are asking me as far as the table where I have to fill in the third law counterparts goes. Are t and t prime just divisions of the Normal force?

I do not know what t and t prime you are referring to. Are you referring to f and f prime... or perhaps T and T prime in Figure 40.7? The 3rd Law counterparts to the friction forces on the blocks due to the table are friction forces in the opposite direction ON THE TABLE.

12. Can Hooke's law be applied to polymeric materials and if so, up to what point of extension would the principle/equation be valid?

An excellent question, although one that takes me a little out of my area of expertise. Analysis of forces on the atomic or molecular scale requires the use of quantum mechanics rather than classical mechanics. That said, one can in many cases think about atoms in a solid crystal as being connected to one anther by little springs. Likewise one can (in some contexts) think of a long molecule (polymer) like a tiny rubber band or spring. Just as a spring with a mass attached to it oscillates with a particular frequency (natural frequency), atoms in long molecules or in crystalline solids oscillate (or vibrate) with certain (natural) frequencies.

13. So, the Buoyant force in the falling body problem with air resistance -- Does the buoyant force depend solely on the density of the medium, or are there other variable parts? I guess I really don't quite understand how that works exactly.

See the answer to question #9. Other effects might complicate the determination of the buoyant force, although such effects will usually be negligible. For example, the equation for buoyant force contains, as you say, the density of the fluid. But the density of the fluid is not strictly constant with depth (or altitude). What density should you use? You should use the average density in the region of the object. Since the buoyant force arises due to pressure on the surfaces of the object immersed in the fluid, and since the temperature of the fluid contributes to the pressure (pV = NRT), strong temperature variations with altitude can complicate determination of the buoyant force.

14. I was reading section 40.5 (Newton's Third Law) and I was wondering if

an object was falling from the sky and the earth is exerting a gravitational force on the object, is there also an equal and opposite reaction that occurs, or not, since the object is accelerating?

I answered this question in class. The NIII counterpart to the gravitational force on a falling object is the gravitational force ON THE EARTH due to attraction to the falling body.

15. In figure 40.6 a table is shown. Would f1 and f2 be added together to get the total frictional force of the floor on the table? Also would they be considered f' in a different example (added together or not)?

The answer to the first question is yes. F1 + f2 is the total frictional force on the table. I am not sure what you are asking in the second question. If your question is... where are the Newton's 3rd law counterparts to f1 and f2 ... there are horizontal frictional forces ON THE EARTH due to the legs of the table. They would appear in a force diagram for the earth.

16. How is it possible to resolve vector A (with a given magnitude) and a vector B (with a given magnitude) into components and, then working with the components, find the magnitude and direction of A+B analytically? REF. P35.1. PAGE: 3517

You are a chapter behind. Try to keep up with the reading.

P35.1 asks you to add vectors A and B using two different methods. First, using graph paper, protractor and ruler, construct the resulting vector by making a parallelogram from A and B and finding the length and direction of its appropriate diagonal. The second (analytic) method is to determine the x and y (or east and north) components of the vectors A and B using trigonometry. Ax = A cos qA, Ay = Asin qA, Bx = B cos qB, By = B sin qB. The x component of A + B is Ax + Bx. Etc. Follow the example I performed in class the other day.

17. Having amazingly understood most of this section of ch. 40 fairly well, I began bothering my room mate about what to ask, and she came up with the following idea.. what implications does newtons third law have on biological processes, such as perhaps the Krebs cycle? Would it be something in a purely mechanical method like the forces intermediates exert when being formed or would the equal and opposite reaction be more in a chemical sense?

I know almost no biochemistry, so I cannot comment on the details of the Krebs cycle. But... I do know that the laws of physics govern the detailed interactions of atoms and molecules. In particular it is the electromagnetic interaction that determines the chemical behavior of atoms and molecules. And it is the electrostatic aspects of the electromagnetic interaction that dominate the relatively slow moving molecules in biological systems (magnetic effects are negligible). The electrostatic interaction obeys Newton's third law. When one molecule drifts into the vicinity of another, the net electric charge on parts of one molecule attract and/or repel the charged parts of the other. In the gravitational interaction two objects with mass attract each other and the force on one is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the force on the other. The electrostatic interaction can be either attractive or repulsive, but the force on one charged object will always be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the charge on another. In biochemical reactions I believe enzymes catalyze certain reactions by temporarily holding some of the reactants in the specific orientations to increase the likelihood of reaction. If the enzyme is much bigger than the molecule whose reaction it is catalyzing, when the molecule and the enzyme attract each other, it is somewhat analogous to the attraction between you and the earth. Since the earth is much more massive, it does not accelerate very much under the influence of the gravitational attraction to you, while you accelerate substantially.

18. Another question I had was about chapter 42, which I do realize we haven't gotten to yet.. I was just wondering if you could perhaps explain the whole shm example a little bit thoroughly.. or perhaps in terms a little less complicated.

We will discuss simple harmonic motion quite a bit on Friday.

19. I am completely baffled by figure 40.5 (( oh no!! )) In particular, I don't

understand why there would be different forces acting on different parts of the table.

The locations of the force vectors in Fig. 40.5 are intended to indicate where on the object the force is applied. Whereas the gravitational force is exerted on every piece of the object, and is usually shown in force diagrams as acting on the center of mass of object, the frictional force for example acts on the bottom surface of the block. The diagram tries to show that. However, since the block is a rigid object that force gets communicated to the entire block (via the interatomic forces that hold the block together). In drawing diagrams for problems like this I prefer to indicate all forces ass acting on the center of mass of the object. Observe my diagrams in class to see how I do this and ask questions if you do not follow.

When we start considering how objects might rotate as well as translate we will have to consider where on the object the force is acting. If you push on a door near the hinge you get a different result than if you push with the same force near the knob.

20. In the third example 40.6.3, why are there frictional forces f' and f'' in the vertical direction if the blocks are not moving in that direction? I realize that later these are given the value 0 for that very reason, but then why do we mention them at all? And also, if we switched their directions (make f' up and f'' down), would it matter? (ie. Is their direction arbitrary with just the requirement that one has to go up and the other has to go down?)

Figure 40.11 is very complete. In general when two surfaces are in contact there is a normal force (perpendicular to the surface) and a frictional force (parallel to the surface). In the example detailed in section 40.6.3, the frictional forces f' and f'' are a Newton's third law action-reaction pair (as are N' and N''). Later in the example the friction forcese are assumed to be zero, but in general, they need not be. For example, see P40.20, one of the problems assigned on PS#2.

21. In the sample problem E40.30, we are asked to give the scale reading as a person moves up and down in an elevator at various velocities and accelerations. But mg is constant, isn't it? So even if we feel heavier or lighter, the scale reading, to my knowledge, would be the same everywhere (unless mass changed as the person approached the speed of light). Also, as I understand it, we only feel heavier because N is pushing up more than mg is pulling down (thus moving the person, and the entire elevator, up). But then why do we feel lighter on the way down?

The scale will not read your weight if you are accelerating. The scale will read the force that normal force that you are exerting on it, and by Newton's third law that equals in magnitude the normal force that it is exerting upward on you. It is this upward normal force from the floor or the scale that gives you your sensation of weight and if the floor pushes up on you with a force greater than mg then you will have an "apparent" weight greater than your actual weight.

22. I'm having trouble conceiving that the two equal and opposite forces act on different objects. For example, why isn't the force opposing gravity the normal force of the table?

When you consider the forces on an object sitting on a table, the normal force is indeed equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the gravitational force on the object. But, these two forces do not need to be equal in magnitude nor opposite in direction. Consider the elevator accelerating upward. The normal force is greater than the gravitational force in that case. Consider the block on an inclined plane. The normal force is not opposite in direction to the gravitational force. Newton's third law is not violated in either of these cases, because the action and reaction forces described in NIII act on different objects. The action-reaction partner to the gravitational force on an object near the surface of the earth is the gravitational force ON THE EARTH due to the object. The action-reaction partner to the normal force on the object due to the table is the normal force (downward) ON THE TABLE due to the object.

23. The other question is more specific and concerns the first of the "illustrative problems." I'm not sure what M really means in those equations. It looked like the mass of the object, but it appears to mean more.

M does indicate the mass of the block suspended by two strings in Figure 40.7. Sometimes in the text detailing that example M is also used as the name of the object in that same figure.

24. page 4023, I don't understand why there is a frictional force between the two objects. And why are they up and down, wouldn't any friction between the two be dispersed in all directions instead of just one?

See answer to question #20.

25. I'm not understanding the concept of the fundamental force. When you identify forces you indicate that some are gravitational and some electromagnetic.I'm not seeing how the "tension force of horizontal string on M" is an electromagnetc force.

This is not at all obvious unless you already know something about the microscopic makeup of matter and what governs the behavior of matter on that scale. All chemical phenomena are electromagnetic in nature. Atoms and molecules are composed of electrically charge objects... electrons and protons. It is the electromagnetic interaction of those atoms and molecules that determines the properties of materials... the friction between two surfaces... the stretchiness of a spring. It is because of the repulsion of electrons in the surfaces of two objects that a block placed on a table does not fall through the table to the center of the earth.

There are it appears only four fundamental interactions in the universe, and only two of those are apparent on the macroscopic scales we live in: gravitation and electromagnetism.